tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post1052589588160215005..comments2023-12-28T18:30:28.647-05:00Comments on Rites of Battle: Kill Points, Not as Bad as You ThinkHeretichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14998180583172670653noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-8224895273483470432011-05-08T15:17:33.080-04:002011-05-08T15:17:33.080-04:00I think that what he was refering to was the fact ...I think that what he was refering to was the fact that Marines can get by with super elite armies that Xenos can not get by with. I've yet to see a Xenos army with less than 10 kill points...because they need to provide 20-30 threats on the board to keep some of them alive long enough to deal with the armies that can get by on 20 models.<br /><br />As per kill points v Victory points. I've never been a huge fan of victory points. They tied way to often. And as such, I'm glad (and yes I know I'm the only one) that they are gone in place of Kill Points.ZerkeXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028453559977628685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-52454985144274041732011-05-03T10:15:43.789-04:002011-05-03T10:15:43.789-04:00I wouldn't mind a conversation in which the ar...I wouldn't mind a conversation in which the argument "you're a marine player, quit bitching" wasn't used.<br /><br />I never mentioned any army in my reply here. I am talking about the system itself, and how it effects the entirety of the game.Godfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01135683206541776998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-55731702780264845262011-05-02T16:05:10.563-04:002011-05-02T16:05:10.563-04:00Loki, you started out with a good opener to a disc...Loki, you started out with a good opener to a discussion as to how kill points compare to victory points as a win condition. However, I was not intending to discuss the merits of the systems, but the perception that having a large number of kill points in an army is necessarily a bad thing.<br /><br />Rionnay, I know MSU has been beaten into the ground on the internet. I just hadn't ever seen anything explaining why it was a good concept and decided to reason it out.<br /><br />If you two would like to argue the merits of each system, feel free. I try not to because I realize that my perceptions of the systems will not effect the use of those systems.Heretichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998180583172670653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-14128518602525689182011-05-01T16:20:39.650-04:002011-05-01T16:20:39.650-04:00lol wow I oops.lol wow I oops.Rionnayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02859889620624684273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-82215612320591362302011-05-01T16:05:43.684-04:002011-05-01T16:05:43.684-04:00Keep the authors straight, sweetheart.Keep the authors straight, sweetheart.Ishamaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275252157445215532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-82172557379445034752011-05-01T15:27:11.962-04:002011-05-01T15:27:11.962-04:00This is nothing new. A topic that has been beaten ...This is nothing new. A topic that has been beaten into the ground. Yes MSU units add versatility in exchange for high kill points. Lower Kill point armies take a hit and can't engage as many units, this is also true. Yes Marine armies can do it and few xenos armies can blah blah w/e. <br /><br />The point of kill points is:<br />-Simplicity <br />-equality<br />-strategy<br /><br />Simplicity, much easier to add up the army total by kill points. Allows for younger players to play without trying to do the math required to win by 10%. Lets remember GW is a business they need to bring in a new group of players. AKA younger and younger, deal with it. <br /><br />Equality, meh terrible word for it I know. But simply put if you take a 9 KP army you aren't working to full potential you will be engaging at most 9 targets a turn (ignoring mutlicharges). However if you take a 20 KP army of course you will be engaging more targets and you have the ability to pick and choose if you need to engage 20 at a time. This was GW's way of balancing the codexs. MSU is king, GW knew it was coming they already had plans for the books and needed a rule to help balance things out, Kill Points was that rule. <br /><br />Strategy- is taking 9 kill points a strategy? YES! list building is part of the skill that goes into the game. So use it. This strategy also makes you pick do I want efficiency of do I want low KP? <br /><br />Lets be straight forward, this post is crap. It's nothing new. There's nothing that will come of it. Bottom line Kill Points are in Victory Points are out. Deal with it. Suck it up get out of your room and play a few games. Play and see Kill Points make games easier to win by. See that there is a more definite outcome when you play KP games ass opposed to VP. If anyone has a right to bitch and moan about victory points it's xenos players who don't have control over how many they take. If you want your army to work and work well you have to take more and more. <br /><br />Loki- Heard you're playing marines. . .tau getting difficult? If this is true and you aren't playing xenos anymore you have no right to bitch.Rionnayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02859889620624684273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5655986553938534450.post-82778606235387268572011-05-01T13:58:04.789-04:002011-05-01T13:58:04.789-04:00While you make a good point about how making units...While you make a good point about how making units one or many is true, it's invalid in an argument of why kill points are better/worse than victory points.<br /><br />How do kill points truly advance the game? I have been wondering why this change occurred, and I personally dislike the idea that it's better because it simplifies the game.<br /><br />So curiously, why are kill points, a system you yourself say is not as good as the old victory point system, not bad. Your article talks about why the KP system isn't unbalanced... but is clearly a step down from the old system. I generally look at steps back as a bad thing in many cases.<br /><br />p.s. your joke is fail :PGodfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01135683206541776998noreply@blogger.com