Gladius
Demi-Company
Captain (Usual bike trappings)
Command squad on bikes (4x meltaguns, apothecary)
3 Bikes + Attack Bike (2x meltagun, combi-melta, multi-melta)
Tactical squad (10 guys, melta, multi-melta, combi-melta, drop pod)
Tactical squad (10 guys, melta, multi-melta, combi-melta, drop pod)
Tactical squad (10 guys, melta, grav pistol)
Devastator squad (9 guys, 4x multimeltas, locator beacon drop pod, plasma pistol, power fist)
Dreadnought (multi-melta, heavy flamer)
Stormwing
Stormraven (twin assault cannon, twin multi-melta, hurricane bolters)
Stormtalon (typhoon)
Stormtalon (typhoon)
Librarius
ML2 (combi-melta, bike)
ML2 (combi-melta)
ML2 (combi-melta)
Strike Force Command
Vulkan
Then we highlight the other issue I indicated: we can't null deploy with this list. No matter how we slice it or what we do, at least one of our bike squads with at least one bike character has to start on the table. And what will become of them? If we know we're fighting a tank company in some capacity, they're going to be forced to jink, and then they're in the same boat as the devastators: too many points for not enough oomph. White Scars and Dark angels are doing the grav thing because it has volume of dakka when they jink, to try and mitigate some of the fall off from that action. Melta, even with twin-linked, doesn't have that luxury. Bikes are fast enough to get melta rule, but my experience has taught me that unless you're in a rhino and gassing it hard, melta is better reserved for drop pods. With a drop pod, it becomes not dissimilar from a conventional military breaching tactic: swoop in unannounced, blow the door off its hinges, and address the occupants.
Similarly, the bikes, unless we took the Centurion fork two paragraphs ago, will put at most 10 models on the table as part of deployment, leaving this list very vulnerable to the possibility of getting piecemeal-ed to death, with each of its parts being dealt with in succession until nothing remains. I know I harp on assault marines, but if we're wanting to drop, any number of them in a drop pod with two flamers is cheap and fluffy. Likewise, it gives us a few tools to deal with some of the infantry that might be supporting those tanks. If we're willing to shell out for the hurricane bolters on the big bird, this makes at least as much sense, if not more. Or, if we don't care about dropping in, keep the bikes, grab a few rhinos, but either way, we should consider dropping the Shield Eternal.
For those of you playing our home game, you'll notice I've already cut a whopping 165 points out of this list, and that's going on the assumption that the command squad just got shoved into their own pod, bringing us from three pods to five (remember, assault marines in a drop pod with two flamers). I'd say there's another 115 points we can trim from there, just by cutting the extraneous wargear off the librarians (assuming we don't want to just cut the librarians wholesale), dropping the hurricane bolters off the raven (they're expensive and pointless), and trading the typhoons on the talons for skyhammers (you should be getting side shots on AV 11 rather than trying to tackle things head on). That's 280 points - closer to 310 after a few things I didn't overtly list, including being a touch under our 2500 target. That's huge. Where should we re-invest it?
I would cut the 270 points of our librarius for starters. Unless we're really banking on invisibility, we don't have any big winners. Divination is pointless with our list, and pyromancy (though fun and a personal favorite) may not be the most potent option. We were previously buying combi-meltas on all the librarians (and we cut those), but I'll almost always swear there's a better outlet. Namely, the home for our newly discovered 580 points: the 1st company task force.

It may seem like a big change to move away from the bikes, but to more than double our first turn impact, I think it's worth it. In this new form, it should have ample oomph to come out ahead in our Astartes training action. Also, remember that the Sallies lost their free master crafted item on characters!
Can we see your final version? I agree with just about all. I would still say grav as the heavy weapons instead of multi melta. Fluff or not.
ReplyDeleteSo, Sparrow caught me, Sallies kept their Master Artisans.
ReplyDeleteI'll post two, one keeping the (nearly pointless) Gladius, and the other rocking a CAD with formations bolted on.
ReplyDeleteGladius
Demi-Company
TH/SS Captain
Melta Command Squad in drop pod
Assault Squad w/ 2x flamers in drop pod
2x Tactical Melta Team in drop pod
Tactical melta team in storm raven
Melta devs in pod
Dread with pod
1st company
2 melta teams in pods
1 heavy flamer team in pod
Storm Wing
Librarius
Vulkan
Or, by going to a CAD, replace the assault marines and Devs with grav cents, give the dread pod to the other tact squad, shove the cents in the bird, and have enough points left over from cutting the captain to give all three tact squads grav cannons, and meltabombs for every character, just so we have something worth master crafting. I actually like the CAD more, big shoutout to a reader on FB for the reminder.